Why would you even ask?

How Old is Too Old To Have Sex? was the title of a Huffington Post Live Blog  that I took part in on June 14th. As I pointed out during the exchange, the question itself is profoundly ageist. We don’t ask whether people age out of singing, or eating ice cream, so why even pose the question when it comes to making love? 


I found moderator Abby Huntsman irritatingly perky and couldn’t shake a slight sense of condescension. But my prickliness could probably be blamed on having just come across a quote from pioneering feminist Cynthia Rich: “As younger women we learned early on to pride ourselves on our distance from, and our superiority to, old women.” Huntsman did give boomer dating maven Ken Solin a harder time than any of the women on the panel, and he was admirably forthcoming. I liked the other panelists too: sex educator Joan Price (who recommended me for the panel), sexuality expert Walker Thornton, and physician Sidney Schwab. 


It was Senior Planet’s tweet—Watch @JoanPrice @WalkerThornton & @thinkytype bust the “eew factor” during a panel about “ageless sex”—that got me thinking about the eeuw factor, not for the first time but in a new way. I’ve heard it attributed to the incest taboo, but that doesn’t make intuitive sense to me. The thought of Mom and Dad going at it definitely summons an “eeuw,” and I bet that’s based in biology. But I think the shared aversion to the very concept of the naked older body—not to mention bodies—is culturally constructed. (As is the incest taboo, if Freud and other psychologists are right.)


In an essay called Ageism and the Politics of Beauty, Rich holds that physical revulsion (aka the eeuw factor) is no less than a tool for oppression. Countless messages reinforce the idea that older bodies, women’s in particular, are ugly. (Check out birthday cards for anyone over 40.) These reinforce a hierarchy: a young woman may not be pretty, but hey, at least she’s not old. (This dynamic operates across many spheres: For example, “My kid may be on the autism spectrum but at least he’s not stupid.” Or “My dad may need a scooter to get around, but at least he’s not senile.”) Old women are at the bottom of the heap, and dismissing their physical and sexual presences makes it all the easier to ignore their minds and ideas. This hierarchy maintains the status quo—a capitalist patriarchy that profits hugely from the sale of “anti-aging” products and regimens. Mainly to women. 


Here’s now Rich puts it: 

 “The principal source of the distaste for old women’s bodies should be perfectly familiar. It is very similar to the distaste anti-Semites feel toward Jews, homophobes feel towards lesbian and gays, racists towards Blacks—the drawing back of the oppressor from the physical being of the oppressed. This physical revulsion travels deep; it is like fear. It feels entirely ‘natural’ to the oppressor; he/she believes that everybody who claims to feel differently is simply hiding it out of politeness or cowardice…. Physical revulsion is an ideal tool for maintaining oppressive systems, an instant check whenever reason or simple fairness starts to lead us into more liberals paths.”


“Marxist quackery,” snorts my houseguest Patrick. “It’s about beauty. There’s nothing more sensuously beautiful than an 18-year-old girl.” This after flaunting his cred by describing a long and passionate affair with a woman decades older than he, and how lovely parts of her body were. Which wouldn’t have been a story worth telling, I pointed out, if it didn’t counter the Playboy-pin-up ideal. As Rich points out, all marginalized people have heard that it’s “natural” for others to be physically repelled by them. Not that long ago, it wasn’t considered natural for women to work outside the home. Or for white people to befriend people of color, let alone marry them. This repulsion connects all the “isms.” Ageism just has a cutesy name for it: the eeuw factor.


I’ll concede that the eeuw factor might be more a symptom of oppression than a tool, but I find Rich’s thinking very congenial. It supports my friend Dread’s idea that sexuality, specifically  “a naked old woman,” is the most radical aspect of my message. I like it because it provokes discomfort, which always accompanies social change, and which is what my friend Jim is up to when he asks people where they were conceived. “Lots of them get really upset,” he told me with a grin. He likes the way it calls out the question of when the sanctity of life begins.


I like the challenge to conventional thinking: that sex is the domain of the conventionally attractive and firm of flesh, and performance measured in erections and orgasms. Watch out, boys! Writing about people with disabilities, activist Simi Linton concurs: “Over time, I came to understand that linking disability to a robust sexual life is among the more radical ideas that one can put forth. It is radical because it debunks the myth of the long-suffering disabled person, but is even more disruptive because it challenges accepted ideals of sexual prowess. [My colleague and I] were saying that pleasure isn’t dependent on certain standards of performance, and on intact bodies. If disabled people can invent new definitions of sexual ability, the cultural norm is called into question.” 


Watch out boys.2! And watch out TABs!  This acronym, for Temporarily Able Bodied, reminds us that disability claims us all, in late life if not before.  



2 thoughts on “Why would you even ask?

  1. The angle I’ve been pondering is the predominance of youth and it’s impact. We don’t have any visible signs of older people enjoying sex–the eeuw factor comes up because ‘we’ are viewing this through the lense of 20-somethings. Until we begin to see older men and women featured in ALL aspects of marketing/advertising we won’t change that view. And, maybe we’ll never get there? 

    The connection between ageism and racism/sexism is one I hadn’t thought of. I often here people say they begin to feel invisible at a certain age. I haven’t experienced that yet (if we don’t count the job market)–and I intend to hold forth as a wise, sexy woman…who just happens to be getting on up in age. 


    Playing the Devil’s Advocate for a second, some of the theories sound a little too black helicopter but I bow to minds greater than my own. And I understand Patrick’s POV – taut skin is certainly more beautiful than what comes later, in my opinion, but is that because I’m similarly brainwashed? Is that definition of beauty true around the world?

    Here’s my simple take: in this culture, I don’t know why, we seem to award women status proximate to their fertility, or illusion thereof. More than brains, wit, humor, strength, ability to earn a living, service, kindness, courtesy, or any other good quality you can think of, we just want to know if she’s f*#kable. And we grade her based on that. (Of course, if a woman stands before us having had ten kids, my fertility theory breaks down, but anyway.)

    On the other hand, it might just be that this revulsion toward senior sex isn’t about sex at all but the rejection of mortality. Old people remind younger people that death is inevitable. Essential to reject THAT. Sex is even more appalling because it’s evidence of old people laughing in the face of mortality. How foolish, how mindless! youth must think. Screwing around while Rome burns.

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